Very bad Company! It is one of the MANY companies run under Premier Mentoring. They are NOT Better Business Bureau accredited, have over 99 attorney general complaints. Do business under 9 different names. Contractors are hired to reel people into every stage of commitment then disappear.
In other words they hire people who are very well spoken and have tons of creditably (like the ex pastor who specializes in raising money for non profit organizations) and experienced in real estate investing who spend a lot of "mentoring" time with you during the 3 day seminar basically coaching you to ramp up all the limits on your credit cards, apply for new credit cards and access any liquid capital you may have. Literally they have you doing this on lunch breaks. Now I know why. Because at the end of the third day you are expected ("if you dont want to end up a drab statistic") to come up with $32,000 to 43,000 for different levels of "advanced next step training". Please understand that although these people seem very sincere and make you think they have the answers to all your financial problems, once the credit card or check is written you will never see them again as they dont even work for the company! They are hired contractors paid to reel you in.
I was one of the suckers who bought the main speaker David "Fryman" Freier's spiel hook, line, and sinker. This guy was brilliant! Talking 100 miles an hours so you cant quite write what he is saying, letting you know how intelligent/scientific his training methods were, making you laugh and warmly sharing his own failures in real estate all the while barking out orders to repeat what he says and to give him positive feedback so that he might customize the level of training he gives you. "Can you handle the next step?" and "this is Level 3 stuff I'm giving you" and "Can I get a yes or a yes!" He would also insult members of the audience every once in a while just to keep you in line. It was a little like brainwashing but it worked. Even sharing the sad story of losing his 3 month old daughter and how he would pay anything to see what she would look like now. In the end I knew very little about practical real estate investing but boy did I feel great about myself! I and about 25 other couples enthusiastically plopped down payment for three different mentoring packages. I estimated that they made a cool $500,000 that last day, but changed my mind once my husband (a federal law enforcement officer) and I did some research on the company and speaker. I am now trying to get a refund. Its been two weeks and I get nothing but the run a round. I should have know better when I saw that all the training material I was given was full of typos and misspellings, the accompanying cd instantly gave my computer a virus, which I am still trying to clean up and you can hardly reach anyone at the numbers they provide. I have been told by a "Helen" (no last names are ever given) that my refund is forth coming, but every time I call to get an endless round of voice mails, elevator music and young people who apologize but then connect you to other voice mails! Please do your self a favor and run, dont walk from this company. Remember all they are teaching is public knowledge.
My ratings are for the posters. I had tickets sent to me for a seminar Thursday, February 19. I was going to go, but did a search first and found all your replies here and in other places. I'm truly sorry for your losses, friends, and wish you all the best in getting restitution for the money you've lost. God Bless. Amazing isn't it? These 2 want-a-be's have entirely ruined their careers. I look forward to their next television performance on an episode of "American Greed".
The above review was spot on! Just did the training this weekend (Dec 21, 2014) and I'm so glad I didn't fall for this scam. Everything the above reviewer said was true! I ran out of the hotel Sunday morning and didn't look back. Did not give them another $40,000! Yeah!
I am going to run and i am so glad that i did not purchase the training last night before i had a chance to research this company. I guess if 100 people signed up at $1000.00/each that is a pretty good pay for 1.5/hrs the what ever they get from training..
I and my wife both attended this seminar with (fryman) and it was so quick talking that we too could not keep up with his so called teaching. we to was talked to by a pastor that ran a non-profit organization by the name of (jerry)
the level we wanted to buy was the platinum but when the charge came through it was for the diamond level and get this the signature was not my wife's signature and the amount was for $41,295.00 on 1 credit card. But we was able to talk with a lady by the name of Brin and we told her to credit back the charge of $41,295.00 and they did we doubled checked it with our credit card and it was refunded in full. so we are so thankful that we were able to get the refund back in full thank god. We agree if you go to this seminar run from it do not buy it as it is a scam. Now they are calling and wanting us to put the charge on another credit card and get this they even solicited us to buy more so called education, we would be willing to get with others that have been taken and form a class action law suit against them. Anyone interested in this please reply. good luck.
I sat through the seminar waiting for the catch, and then there it was! A $2,000 investment. Okay, so is continue to listen intently to see what was being offered for $2,000. They (the facilitators of the seminar) promise to have a team of lenders who will lend you the money complete your first deal in 90 days at an interest rate of 3%, regardless of your credit, AND once your deal is complete they will return your $2,000 investment to you. So folks, I am going to bite the bullet to see if they are going to hold up to their end of the deal. We can't always expect to get something for nothing and having a team of people who will help me fund my first deal, negotiate deals on my behalf, and a host of other things sounds attractive to me. IF everything works out as they say...or not...I will return to let you all know.
Did you attend the 3 day seminar and is their a group of investors? What happens if you do not invest more like they are saying $20,000 plus? What did you walk away with at the end of the 3 day seminar?
I did bit the bullet and I have not been happy with the results so far. I have requested a refund for the 2497.00. I am waiting to see if they will honor it.
Good for you. I looked at the whole program as a bait and switch. They use pictures of Christina and Tarek and you think that they will be giving the presentation. They were back in California doing their show. They do not attend any of these seminars for the most part. They want 2000.00 or 6000.00, depending on how soon you sign up. They offer a lot of refund incentives if you are unhappy but with my background in business the whole presentation reeked of bait and switch. Buyers beware !
Attended the 3 hour seminar today with my wife, here in Louisville, KY , 10/13/14. Steve was the guest speaker as the "show" people were filming. Sat there very quiet and listened and took lots of notes, or as best as I could keep up with Steve. Well, after the program was laid out and it sounded to good to be true, and writing a check for $1997, came home and researched the internet on the scam. They never mentioned that WE would be required to come up with thousands more for the next step during the 3 day class. This is nothing more than a multi-marketing type scam that I have seen in the past. I immediately placed a stop payment on my check as I read more online about this scam, along with the Tax Lien Certificate program that followed. More BS. Researching that was easy enough online as well and that man, Karl Noons did not disclose much about getting into that can of worms! It amazing that so called professional people go city to city to rip good people off in these get wealthy schemes. I'm usually a little more careful and learned yet another valuable lesson today!
What do you expect? They are a education and training company. All these morons go to all these seminars only because they want to see someone from some TV show. Then get all negative. How much money did you pay to get in? That's right...nothing. And I love the that the guy that is given an MP3 player for free just for showing up... and still bitches because it wasn't some brand he thought it might be. Typical entitlement attitude. Wanting something for nothing. And still complains when they get it. Hey I joined Golds Gym but I haven't lost a single pound man!!! I think I am going to complain and write a bunch of nonsense about what a scam Golds is.
I agree with your comment and am trying to figure out if the educational part of the program is actually worth the drive. Did you attend? I don't care if Tarek and Christina are there and I don't care about an MP3 player...I'm just interested in learning about getting into real estate. Any idea if this program is helpful at all to that end?
They ADVERTISE that people who are successful are somehow connected to the show but if you look - there's nothing really saying they are. It's insinuated. They use images and the words "like" in regards to the HGTV stars. Truly a bait & switch tactic. They do a great job of creating competition by asking "who here knows they want to be on our team?" And then 3 people scattered around raise there hands (in certain they're plants) and he says "get me 3 certificates, I want to do something special." as he holds these mystery certificates as speaks 10 more minutes before the break and asks again "who here knows..." And many more go sign up. Playing on classic human nature to want those "gold certificates". It was palpable.
We left with our money thanks. No useful info was given. Only promises to come.
But this guy here gets all upset about a review site complaining about the BS these people are spouting. Free or not. If you say iPod, it better be iPod. Not fauxpod. If you're company (I'm sure you work for them) says up front that the Stars won't be here at every seminar then stop advertising them. I'm willing to bet you're not in any way affiliated w Terek & Christina.
Then all you do is mock reviews without sharing anything useful yourself.
How would they allow their name to be associated with this sales pitch/sham? They have no intention of attending and the free to the first 100 people? No one paid. So that's a falsehood.... Don't waste your time, walked out after 20 minutes.
Look at flip advantage facebook page, everything they post is shared a link. They don't write anything it's all flip advantage shared a link. It's all a scam.
Disappointing that Tarek & Christina are involved in this business. They must be very focused on getting money no matter the cost to others and reputation. HGTV should terminate their show. Let's have some ethical standards, please!
My wife and I attended last night at the Flip Advantage Scam. The presentation was very good but in the end they want 2000.00 to register for their 3 day seminar and if you hesitate you can still attend but it will cost you 6000.00. Christina and Tarek were not there and the back of the room was lines with a bunch of middle aged men that took on the persona of " thugs or bouncers." I asked where the stars of the show were and I was told by one of the cocky bouncers that they have a TV show to make. The whole program is false advertising at its best !
Did not research this program before I went and they presented at a Hyatt Resort ballroom with full size cardboard cutouts of Tarek and Christina promoting the program. Instead we get a male middle aged cheerleader who is all hype and no truthful facts. I've been in Real Estate 33 years and nothing they presented was factual or specific. When the man in front of me reached in his wallet to get his credit card I said don't do it, it's a scam. Go to real
Estate school and get your license. Disgusting that HGTV has not canceled this show.
I attended the Flip Advantage sales pitch yesterday in Arlington. Thankfully did not part with the $1,997 for the 3 day training. A couple of things the speaker did mention are true:
1. There is an actual list of troubled banks and it can be found via Google, not directly from FDIC.
2. When you go to the list you can see all the REO properties that each bank has on it's books, so you can check those out and make an offer remembering to put your Proof of Financing on the top of your application.
As for financing I guess we are on our own. Could do
I went to the sales pitch today. In concept it sounds very interesting, but I'm glad I did not pay the $2000 for the program. I did however answer a question correctly, got a lottery card, and won $25. I think I'll use that money to buy a book on how to actually invest in real estate. I agree with your assessment of the troubled bank list. That could be useful.
This is the biggest scam. The presentation was run by some random "real estate investor." He was obviously a salesman who was hired to try and steal dumb people's money. This guy was a horrible liar and unbelievably corny. He should stick to selling vacuum cleaners and mops. The scam was so obvious that it was nauseating. Hey Flip Advantage, maybe you should get better actors next time. This guy looked like some alcoholic they dragged off of the street and dressed in a horribly fitting suit. My evening was not totally ruined because this circus act gave me some great entertainment. Oh and I bet the snacks they gave out in sandwich bags were stolen off the back of a truck earlier that day.
I went to the one in Dulles and wasn't sure what to expect ...... I got there a little late and sat down and listen to this guy talk..... Now I will admit there was some information given but wow this guy..... Listen when are about to steal all these retards money atleast when they raise their hand to ask you something don't tell them to wait and say "well I'll go ahead and break my own rule and let you talk". Haha guy was a joke just looking around at the dummies to figure out which one would bite.
Unless you have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on training you will get VERY little out of the 3 day workshop. If you are one of the ones that were upset about not seeing stars or ipods, try coughing up 2 grand to get a 3 day motivational speech about financial literacy. One sales pitch leads to the next, leads to the next, and so on. If you didn't get in the door consider yourself one of the LUCKY one's! SCAM!!!
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We too drove an hour to go to this event, once we were seated they advised that neither Christina nor Tarek would be there. They had a "representative" in their place, they had a short video telling us they were too busy with their filming schedule to be there. The ONLY reason we went was to see them in person and ask questions...not to buy a program which they didn't even construct. We walked out disappointed since all the emails they sent prior were positive in saying they were looking forward to seeing us. What a scam!
DO NOT GO! Tarek and Christina El Moussa were not there, as many others explain here, it was the same video. Reputation shot.
Out of 1.5hrs of Tim Payne talking at Flip Advantage, 10 mins were actually about very high level real estate concepts. This entire seminar is geared right from the very moment you walk in to lead lambs to the slaughter. They even tape the rows off so the most eager volunteer to sit up front.
By the way, 75% of the front row went up to drop the $2K on the 3 day training.
Tim Payne is a very charismatic closer, he tells a story about his now deceased father, and his family and grandchildren. Emotional hook. I'll bet Tim Payne has delivered his closing speech, no less than a thousand times. I'm a paid public speaker and have presented to over 15,000 people in Canada and the US. I don't sell anything in my presentations but know a closer when I see one. Tim's got his material down cold. Also, he uses a pointer in his presentation that automatically shuts off the images on the screen when he's not pointing at it so you can't actually study the screen while he's talking. You also can't take pictures of the screens for reference later that way too.
These guys are not there to work with you to succeed in real estate. They are there to process your payments at the back.
God was looking out for me yesterday.
I would pay for the $2K training program and to be a part of an actual network to do deals, THIS ISN'T IT. Which is ironic because the whole time Tim Payne is talking about how he wants all of us out there finding deals for him, and his network because of all the potential money that could be made together. NOW THAT, seems logical, except the actions don't match that logic.
I was truly hoping this was a real opportunity to get into real estate. It's not, not even close. Tarek and Christina El Moussa should definitely lose their HGTV show Flip of Flop as a result of this BS.
I imagine that the executives at HGTV are probably ignoring it right now. Why not tweet the show's account @HGTVFliporFlop
Thank all of you who have posted feedback on this event. I was going to attend an event in Arlington, VA today, but have been turned off by all of the 'NEGATIVE" posts. I will not be watching the show anymore either, because I believe at some point they have gotten word of what's going on, but refuse to address anything. I guess this is how they come up with the monies needed to buy the properties. SAD, VERY SAD!!!
Bang for the buck, they didn't cover the gas money!
Wife and I attended the free presentation. No real surprises, stars were not there, no real information given only promises to show you how to make tons of money. I bought into the 3 day training class for $2000 and gave up 3 days to listen to success stories that took place in other states. Voiced my disappointment during my TEN minute one on one consultation and was told my expectations were never part of the proposal, said "If they had access to the deals they would be doing them themselves".
On the positive side they offer a diamond package if you sign up on the spot for $50,000.
I was offered a money back guarantee if not satisfied........................... will advise how that goes.
A side from another sell pitch at the 3 day class is the promise of financing legit or fake.... can anyone weigh in on that.
I attended the free seminar... they got my attention when they promised unlimited financing for my deals no credit needed, would finance purchase price and rehab cost, no upfront points, app fees etc. 500k per deal. But they had to meet there standard. 20% or 20k. And of course you couldn't get access to the financing unless you paid 2k and attended the 3 day class.
As good as this offer sound am interested In the financing. That alone is the true value...
Has anyone successful went through the class and got access to the financing as they promise.
When I posted a comment on their f/b page, they deleted it and gave no explanation. I only asked if one of their techniques was buying foreclosures. I would not trust these people who delete comments without reply as to why.
They don't mention this during the free seminar, but you can get a refund within three days of paying for the 3-day workshop. For Tax Lien Vault, I was told it was three days for US citizens and 10 days for Canadians. I am a Canadian and requested a refund for both the workshop and Tax Lien five days after I attended the seminar. Their customer service reps are not equipped to answer specific questions or deal with pressure. Now that I've dealt with them, I'm sure anybody can get a refund beyond the refund period (but prior to the workshop). Tell them that you are onto this hoax (thanks to this site!) and you will show up at the workshop with printouts for each of the participants with all these negative reviews confirming that this is a total scam. This will ensure that nobody at the workshop will fall for the next level of this rip-off! Trust me, it makes them very nervous!! It worked for me!
Went to the seminar in Tysons Corner, VA today. Tarek and Christina were not there. They have a pre-recorded video stating that they are filming. Judging by the rest of the reviews I don't think they intend to ever show up to these seminars. While the speaker who is clearly a salesman gave some helpful info you are better off with Google or purchasing a book on real estate. Midway thru the session they ask for $1997 to attend the three day seminar in order to get access to the unlimited, no credit check funding. So many folks rushed to the back to sign up. During the seminar I pulled out my phone and saw all these bad reviews. I walked out during the break between speakers. Don't waste your time or money.
Attended the free siminar tonight and again tarek and christina didn't show. What a disappointment thos was the First clue scam. Being a licensed REALTOR in the area and knowing the area and market very well the speaker started talking current number reguarding how many forclosures where in the area. All false numbers was given. Then extending to a three day class costing $1997 now or 6000.00 at a later date. Scam scam scam. Very upset over the false information they were giving. Tarek and Christina should force them into not allowing them to use their names and faces. Dont fall for this.
Read these reports tonite. Thank God that we changed our minds today and did not attend. Just going thru web and decided to look this up. Can not believe I did not check when I signed up. Today we were dressed to go out door and looked at each other and said lets not go,they will probably ask for money. And by the above readings we ,thank God ,made the right choice
I drove an hour each way. I stood in line and waited. I was next to enter the room and there were 50+ people in line behind me (all with valid tickets). They sent us away with non-functional, no-name mp3 players as parting gifts (which were promised to be iPod Nanos).
I want my money back!! I sat in class for 3 days hearing about the possiblitlies of what you could do with this training. Each day they informed you that you would learn a little more and promised by the third day you could go out and do this yourself. On the thrid day, the whole class was geared towards having you sign up for $40,000 to actually learn how to do it!!! So I spent $2000 and 3 days of my time to hear that I need to NOW spend $40,000 to learn anything!
All free seminar are meant to do one thing, put you further in debt. The catch is ALWAYS $2000 or more for courses, but you never hear about the success of these courses or the students!
Tarek el Moussa net worth: Tarek el Moussa is an American real estate agent and reality television personality who has a net worth of $2 million dollars. Tarek el Moussa is based in Orange County, California, where he works as a real estate agent and house flipper. He is known for his success at buying homes at auction, renovating, and selling them for a profit. Tarek and Christina were successful real estate agents during the boom period and when the market tanked, they set out to find a way to generate income. They decided to use their knowledge of the local real estate market to buy, renovate, and flip houses that they often buy at auction sight unseen. He and his wife Christina are the subjects of the popular HGTV series "Flip or Flop". The show follows the couple through the often tense process of bidding on a property, renovating it and restoring it so that it is competitive on the market, and then reselling it. They have become known as a power couple throughout Southern California. In 2013, a registered nurse and fan of the show wrote to the program's production company. She suggested that a doctor examine a lump that was visible on Tarek's neck which she had seen while watching "Flip or Flop". It proved to be cancer. The program has since followed the couple's business, as well as Tarek's battle with cancer.
They are lending their names as a brand for marketing to draw people to the seminar! They probably get a cut of all proceeds. Multiple these in every states and can you say residual income! This is their new generating income machine.
Their net worth is only 2 Million.
Action News Investigates: Another celebrity house-flipping seminar stirs concern
West Virginia woman hoped to learn secrets of 'Flip or Flop' stars Tarek and Christina
Ever since reality television exploded into American homes in the late ‘90s, we’ve had to keep reminding ourselves the same thing.
Even though it says “reality,” it isn’t always real.
That’s especially true with shows that follow house flippers, home remodelers and real estate agents. These processes are usually drawn out, tedious and not very fun to watch, so some liberties are taken during production to make the show interesting to viewers.
HGTV’s “House Hunters” is a notable one. The show hires actors to portray some buyers and usually only approaches buyers who are already in escrow, which means they have to act out reactions to houses they already know they’re not going to buy.
We can’t count how many times we’ve seen a house hunter object to something silly like a room’s paint color or tile scheme.
But what about the network’s new house flipping show, “Flip or Flop?”
flip-or-flop-tv-showTelevision networks are notoriously guilty of misrepresenting house flipping, and it has no doubt led to some novices getting in over their heads. “Flip or Flop” follows the husband-wife duo of Tarek and Christina El Moussa as they take on distressed properties, renovate them and attempt to sell them.
Some viewers have criticized the show for misrepresenting the costs required in renovations, unrealistic home sale and purchase prices, staging the auction scenes and depicting a couple that mostly only deals with capital. Their contractors are the ones getting their hands dirty, which is a luxury many house flippers can’t afford.
The biggest complaint of all centers around the fact that the couple almost always turns a handsome profit, which any experienced house flipper will tell you isn’t necessarily true.
So what of the El Moussas? Are we watching a young couple scraping by, trying to make it in the business, or is it just another made up Hollywood production?
The people are indeed quite real. They worked in real estate until the housing market crashed, and they’ve been paying the bills by flipping houses ever since.
Business has been going well, with Tarek reporting last year that he had taken on three new employees and expanded his operation into neighboring states. It is also shown that he uses creative financing and help from outside investors to pay for his flips.
As for the rest, nothing has been explicitly revealed.
Those of us with experience in the business can probably pick out the unrealistic parts of the show and surmise how — with a little selective editing and Hollywood magic — everything came together. In the end, the savvy viewer already knows the show is for entertainment and shouldn’t be used as a basis for serious decisions.
After all, it comes back to the old adage.
If it’s too good to be true, it probably is. There’s no such thing as easy money.
No information given about real estate investing. Simple scam to get your money. The most heart breaking thing is watching older people pull out three or four credit cards to pay for the fake work shops and get nothing in return but wasted time. These guys should watch their back. When I see them in Austin on Dec. 3-5th at the Omni hotel for the fake 3 day work shop that people paid 2k to attend, I'm going to tell them to go **** themselves and stop stealing from peoples 401k. Fuckin losers! They walked out with at least 60k this morning (11-23-14) after people bought the three day work shop for 2k and the tax lien program for 1k.
I am so angry that I did not go on here prior to wasting my time!! I did not want to get rich quick I just wanted to know how to get started in investing in real estate. It is a SCAM! THEY WERE OVER A HOUR LATE getting there...I stood for 1 and 1/2 hours. .nothing to drink only to be told after another hour that I had to pay $2000.00 dollars and spend another 3 days listening to more crap. If they make so much money why do the guys look like bouncers, wear cheap suits, and stuff their faces with pizza while waiting for dumb people like me to pay them money. Well you lose because all you got was my time. Tarek AND CHRISTINA should be ashamed.
My husband & I attended the "free" 3 hour workshop on Dec. 6th in San Diego CA. Our arms were not tied & forced to buy the
"advanced training" workshop which cost me $1997. The main speaker at the "Advanced Training" did not say any negative comments or put anyone down. I did find though he spoke quickly & it was hard to keep up with him as were writing & taking notes. I was upset because at the "free" 3 hr workshop we were told in our $1997 purchase that we would have access to a database, funding etc. which on the second day we were all told the database & funding were not included that you had the choice to purchase out of the 3 packages which ranged from 20k-44K the database & funding would be included. I complained & I told them that I was mislead & lied to & luckily I got my total refund of $1997 within 3-7 biz days.
i feel so bad right now coz i force my husband to pay for the 2k seminar. thank god that i cannot sleep after the free seminar and give it a try to google if theirs any complaint and reviews about this flip advantage. thank you for all the people who post and share their experience. at least we got enlighten before we sink more in the black hole of scammers... but i still owe my husband an apology for being ignorant and stubborn.. :(
Program Geared for Buying Properties in US, not Canada
Attended in Edmonton, AB. Got their late but that was okay. The speaker was apparently born in Edmonton but highly doubtful as he was pronouncing the City's name incorrectly. Also talked more about his family more than anything really valuable. He must have inspired people, because when he spoke about buying the program for 2K instead of 6K I was surprised how many signed up immediately. Didn't stay for the second half.
Got the $5 FauxPod and left feeling quite happy about not giving $2K of hard earned money.
You really have to ask yourself - if the folks promoting and selling the product were that successful in their processes and methods, why are they speaking to us in hotels at 8:00 p.m. rather than spending time with their friends and families?
Anyhow, it was good to attend to hear what they had to say although no real information was provided.
The goons signing everyone in were a JOKE.Then the REAL entertainment started!
After watching the lame video of Tarek and Christina and being told that they were "Unable to make it due to a busy filming schedule," we were told to sit back and enjoy the presentations. (They'd better be VERY busy, because all I've seen for a while on HGTV are reruns of their shows!)
Anyway....
The main speaker, whose name escapes me, (or perhaps I purposely blocked it out,) was a poster child for shady used car salesman everwhere! With his slicked back hair and ill-fitting suit, I sensed the BS was about to flow freely for the next few hours...... he did NOT disappoint!
What a bunch of crap!
(For those of you who have attended......
"Can I get a yes?")
This clown even went so far as to make up responses from the audience. ... YES! MAKE THEM UP!!!!! (He'd ask for answers from the audience, then say he HEARD someone say ____ , when NO ONE even said that!)
He gave (obviously) fake examples of his OWN experiences, and just exuded BS the ENTIRE time!
But WAIT! The "fun" didn't stop there! THEN, some Noons guy came out and gave his (BS) spiel, even pointing out that his daughter was in the audience because she drove in from Austin to see him..... kike that makes him less of a horse's butt?!
This jerk used shame tactics to try and convince people that shelling out their hard-earned money for his fabulous program was what they HAD to do! That only SERIOUS and HIGHLY MOTIVATED folks would act NOW and get this life-changing program!
FINALLY! He wrapped up the BS fest..... THEN came the "gifts"! A fauxpod, AND a mail-in (YOU pay the postage) card to be entered in the drawing for an ipad that they'll be giving away in the next 12 months! (YES! TWELVE months!)
Oh.... and the "Free CD-rom" promised.... well THAT wasn't even included! NOPE! You have to go to a website and "download" that "Free Gift!"
I am skeptical by nature, so the ONLY reasons I went were to get some kid-free time with the hubby, and to see Tarek and Christina in person, since I regularly watch their show....well, at least I got to hang with my hunny! Oh...... and YES, I can't forget the mp3 player that's ALMOST as cheesy as the main presenter.
Tarek and Christina should be ashamed of themselves!
Unfortunately for THEM, I have more sense and I REFUSE to buy into their BS.
I went to free seminar on a lark as I enjoy Tarek and Christina's show. Smelled a scam before entering the room and joked to a seat mate that there would undoubtedly be a request for money. It took about 20 minutes for them to ask for the $2k and to attempt to shame those of us who weren't willing to take control of our financial futures. There was no Tarek and Christina despite "Tarek" emailing me a few days before event looking forward to seeing me at the session. I am surprised that such public figures lend their names to this scam. These "good friends of Tarek and Christina" have no knowledge of Ottawa marketplace which was clear from lies about potential profits on local properties. Further they either ignored or misrepresented the matter of the US taxes on various transactions. It was three hours of my life I will never get back but at least I didn't fall victim to the $2k money grab. Many seminar participants were straight up laughing heartily by end of presentation. Also found the presenters' - very average looking guys tossing up photos of their blonde beautiful wives. Lol.
I attended the seminar in Treasure Island St. Petersburg FL, Nov 8. I wouldn't even give it 1Star. I am very sure that Tarek and Christina received payment for their video introduction of the "Sales Expert". However, I doubt they know that their image is used on everything else or to what kind of business tactics the "Sales Experts" perform. A half hour into the seminar I realized it was a scam. The "Sales Experts" are nothing more than "Closers" - guys who get your money. Tarek and Christine are probably in the dark - just like all the people who attended the seminar and paid $2000 to sign-up to attend the 3 Day Training. The Sales Experts create urgency to get you to sign-up. Before they took their break - they have all the people who are ready to sign-up herd to the back of the room to fill-out the paperwork. During the break, I read these reviews to confirm my suspicions about what a scam it is. I went back into the seminar after the break, but left at the end stunned that there are so many gullible people out there - giving their hard earned money away in hopes of financial stability or gain. I was gullible to attend - but not stupid enough to fall for their timeshare sale style tricks. When I left, I heard an elderly lady say that she would be able to have the $2000 on Monday, because she can request a withdrawal from her 401K. I am sure that when this elderly lady attends the 3 day training and the "Sales Experts" convince her to join the "Diamond Level" - she won't have a 401K much longer!
Okay, so overall this was a huge lie. I would respect this company a lot more if they didn't have multiple false advertisements on their ads/fliers.
The staff that signs you up in the beginning before you get in the doors are really rude and arrogant. And so are the people that are by the doors when you leave the meeting. The employees are extremely rude and don't smile and make you feel welcomed. They seem to hate their job, and not want to be there.
On the ad it says the meeting starts at 12:00 and ends at around 2:00. We dint get out of there until after 3:00. They don't mention this anywhere in the fliers, that this will be a 3 , or 3 in a half hour meeting.
I think they should be upfront about how long we will be in there, this is false advertising. How dare they put an ad with Christina and Tarek and make it look like they will be there speaking? When you get there , they arnt even there! I wouldn't mind hearing other people speak, I just am mad because this company has no integrity, and will use other people names, pictures, lie about how long the meeting will be, they say their will be "refreshments " there. And they have pitchers of water in a corner of the room, nothing else, really cheap and classless. They also lie and say they will give you an iPod but they don't, if you do get one it's a MP3 player that will only last you 45 minutes and break because that's how long mine lasted. They look like those cheap dollar store brands. Complete garbage. They also say the first 100 people will be in a drawing for an iPad, which isn't true,there was no iPad drawing. When you leave the meeting they give you a post card you write your address, and you put your own postage stamp and mail it out and it's a sweepstakes thing, they don't draw for iPad at the actual class. So it's another way they lie to us. I'm really annoyed that they lie about every little thing. They gave us 2 "free tickets". Hahahahaha. Wow. Everyone got in without tickets!! Nor was I asked for a ticket!! They gave us a sandwich bag with rits crackers, gummi fruit and a granola bar. And there wasn't enough for everyone. The chairs I sat in were so uncomfortable, my butt started hurting within 45 minutes, and I couldn't get comfortable. Terrible chairs!
The first speaker was very informative, I learned a few things I didn't know before, which is why I didn't give this 1 star. But I gave it two stars, because I DID Learn a few things I didn't know before. BUTTT........since they lied to me and falsely advertised their whole seminar , in order to bring me in there in the first place, I thought it was really dodgy and I decided to NOT purchase a 3 day class for $1997.00. If they are gonna lie about small things, I'm sure their classes are probably not good quality or trustworthy , I couldn't take a risk!
Sorry but if you want people to buy your classes, don't falsely advertise!! People won't take a company serious, if your gonna give them cheap snacks, and dollar MP3 players, lie to them and say Christina and Tarek will be hosting the event, say the class is 2 hours, and the class ends up 3 hours. All these lies make you look dishonest!! And there's no way I would be dumb enough to trust you and your company with my hard earned money, so you can go play with it and use my money to trick other people into coming to your seminars.
Stop lying to people! Stop falsely advertising. Start with being honest, maybe you'll get further in business.
Went expecting to see Tarek and Christina. Stood in the heat waiting past noon to be let in. Finally got in. Sat another 20 minutes as they were having 'equipment issues." Finally a guy came in with a new projector. We got wind that the seminar was going to be done by two other people, not Tarek and Christina, even though there were giant posters with the the two of them. We walked out and from reading all these reviews, I am glad we did. First clue should have been the seedy hotel where the seminar was being held.Totally should have googled this before leaving the house. Shame on us!!
I assume that Tarek and Christina get a percentage of the take for them to use their names. Shame on them!!!
we went to seminar last night…i guess I'm a huge sucker. Just called cc company to check on refund. They said they cannot refund. Another one bites the dust to the POOR who are trying to work and make some real money. Breaks my heart..thought I was wiser now…wrong...
Two days after I attended the free seminar, I came across this website. My heart sank as I realized I was a sucker! I called and requested a refund for both the 3-day workshop and for tax lien vault. I said I would bring all these reviews to the workshop and distribute them to all of the participants so that everyone would know that this company is a scam! My credit card was refunded four days later.
THERE IS NO WAY MY WIFE AND I WILL GO AFTER READING THESE REVIEWS!!!
Wow...thank you everyone for warning us about this SCAM. We are truly sorry for everyone who had to subject themselves to this nonsense. We will not attend.
So glad i am a natural skeptic but am still interested in flipping
I was going to attend the seminar in Lafayette Louisiana on the 16th of December. Needless to say after reading this i will not be going. I am a skeptic by nature and knew to research this first. I love the idea if buying a rundown home for cheap and redisigning it myself. Of course the problem comes in when it comes to financing or getting the money somehow to get started. I am sure thisis something iwould love doing andbe passionate about. I just wonder how much money it would actually take to get started? I am also quite sure that youcould easily learn all the ends and outs just by using google and the internet. It really doesnt seem that hard if you just start out very small and lear as you go. The idea of googling the troubled banks and there listings seems kike a legitimate way to get a good start. So anyway if there is anyone with any REAL realestate advice on flipping i would greatly appreciate it.
I was one of the ones who bought into this scam, I was blessed that my card had a late payment so it didn't go through.. I thank all of you who posted these remarks and how it will help others before they buy.
Went to the seminar in Safety Harbor today. The stars of the TV show were not there. Instead, we were shown a video of them speaking. Then, the speaker came out and basically started asking for money. I am really surprised that Tarek and Chistina have their names linked to a scam like this. Perhaps these guys paid them to use their names and photos as part of their pitch, I don't know. We left during the break, but many people in the room got up to pay the initial two-grand. I was in total disbelief. Don't wast your time.
August 2017 in Houstion Texas. Attended $2K intro seminar and paid $40K for next level boot camp. I pray this is not a David Fryman Freier scam using hgtv Hilliary Farr's name and reputation like previously listed as scam! As David Fryman Freier did with Flip Advantage training seminar under Tarek and Christina via Flip or Flop hdtv. I will keep everyone posted as we proceed.
I personally know tarek & christina for which I'm ashamed after reading all of the 100 % bad reviews,they are both good people but fell into the wrong hands of vultures & sharks but mainly root of all evils " money ", true they should be ashamed for getting involved in the first place & my only advice is to get out of this & restart their life in an honest manner. Good luck..someone who cares....ps. their program does not even deserve 1 star...
This company is doing the same thing now by the name of Success Path. Still saying all the things you have read here in these reviews. Just attended the free seminar in Kamloops, B.C. Canada. Signed up for the 3 day but kept feeling something wasn't right. Started digging today and found so many scam reports. Stopped payment on my cheque and moved the money out of my acct. would rather bounce a cheque then be taken advantage of. Glad I listened to my gut!! Thanks to everyone who posted their experience and assisted me to come to my senses!!
None of the reviews here are from folks who actually attended the class and could tell us if the system and the promises of them lending money was legit or not. We know that Christina and Tarek didn't show up and that broke your heart. But can someone comment on the class itself (the one you paid some $2)?
^ I hope to see more feedback from people who attended the $2000 seminar like this one ^
Can you elaborate about this $20-$50K Mentoring/Diamond/whatever program? $2000 might be something that the average person might be able to scrounge up **if desperate**, but $20K-$50K is NOT something most people could drop, even if they truly wanted to. How do they possibly sell this to people?
Also, what's the deal with the financing? The free seminar touted the main advantage is that we get access to 3% loans with no credit checks, additional cost, etc. Without this financing you're not going to be able to participate in the program, no matter how much training you get... unless you have $300K+ lying around. Now they're saying we need provide the financing ourselves too? Can someone PLEASE explain this?
The reason you don't see comments about people learning more about or getting access to the financing is because it doesn't happen/doesn't exist. This company is all about you giving them money.
My spouse and I attended the 3 day, $2,000 seminar. The only financing informant that they gave was to try to increase the limit on your credit cards and borrow from your 401(k). The speakers would not respond to questions from the participants. I raised my hand for a question but was ignored. The speakers spent a large amount of time trying to upsell the participants on a $20,000 to $50,000 "mentoring program" Stay away from this. It was a waste of 2K
Flip Advantage Reviews
VERY BAD COMPANY- LONG BUT PLEASE READ
Very bad Company! It is one of the MANY companies run under Premier Mentoring. They are NOT Better Business Bureau accredited, have over 99 attorney general complaints. Do business under 9 different names. Contractors are hired to reel people into every stage of commitment then disappear.
In other words they hire people who are very well spoken and have tons of creditably (like the ex pastor who specializes in raising money for non profit organizations) and experienced in real estate investing who spend a lot of "mentoring" time with you during the 3 day seminar basically coaching you to ramp up all the limits on your credit cards, apply for new credit cards and access any liquid capital you may have. Literally they have you doing this on lunch breaks. Now I know why. Because at the end of the third day you are expected ("if you dont want to end up a drab statistic") to come up with $32,000 to 43,000 for different levels of "advanced next step training". Please understand that although these people seem very sincere and make you think they have the answers to all your financial problems, once the credit card or check is written you will never see them again as they dont even work for the company! They are hired contractors paid to reel you in.
I was one of the suckers who bought the main speaker David "Fryman" Freier's spiel hook, line, and sinker. This guy was brilliant! Talking 100 miles an hours so you cant quite write what he is saying, letting you know how intelligent/scientific his training methods were, making you laugh and warmly sharing his own failures in real estate all the while barking out orders to repeat what he says and to give him positive feedback so that he might customize the level of training he gives you. "Can you handle the next step?" and "this is Level 3 stuff I'm giving you" and "Can I get a yes or a yes!" He would also insult members of the audience every once in a while just to keep you in line. It was a little like brainwashing but it worked. Even sharing the sad story of losing his 3 month old daughter and how he would pay anything to see what she would look like now. In the end I knew very little about practical real estate investing but boy did I feel great about myself! I and about 25 other couples enthusiastically plopped down payment for three different mentoring packages. I estimated that they made a cool $500,000 that last day, but changed my mind once my husband (a federal law enforcement officer) and I did some research on the company and speaker. I am now trying to get a refund. Its been two weeks and I get nothing but the run a round. I should have know better when I saw that all the training material I was given was full of typos and misspellings, the accompanying cd instantly gave my computer a virus, which I am still trying to clean up and you can hardly reach anyone at the numbers they provide. I have been told by a "Helen" (no last names are ever given) that my refund is forth coming, but every time I call to get an endless round of voice mails, elevator music and young people who apologize but then connect you to other voice mails! Please do your self a favor and run, dont walk from this company. Remember all they are teaching is public knowledge.
Jeff
My ratings are for the posters. I had tickets sent to me for a seminar Thursday, February 19. I was going to go, but did a search first and found all your replies here and in other places. I'm truly sorry for your losses, friends, and wish you all the best in getting restitution for the money you've lost. God Bless. Amazing isn't it? These 2 want-a-be's have entirely ruined their careers. I look forward to their next television performance on an episode of "American Greed".
You are correct! Don't waste your money
The above review was spot on! Just did the training this weekend (Dec 21, 2014) and I'm so glad I didn't fall for this scam. Everything the above reviewer said was true! I ran out of the hotel Sunday morning and didn't look back. Did not give them another $40,000! Yeah!
Flip Your Bank Account
I am going to run and i am so glad that i did not purchase the training last night before i had a chance to research this company. I guess if 100 people signed up at $1000.00/each that is a pretty good pay for 1.5/hrs the what ever they get from training..
flip advantage is nothing but a scam
January 7th 2015
I and my wife both attended this seminar with (fryman) and it was so quick talking that we too could not keep up with his so called teaching. we to was talked to by a pastor that ran a non-profit organization by the name of (jerry)
the level we wanted to buy was the platinum but when the charge came through it was for the diamond level and get this the signature was not my wife's signature and the amount was for $41,295.00 on 1 credit card. But we was able to talk with a lady by the name of Brin and we told her to credit back the charge of $41,295.00 and they did we doubled checked it with our credit card and it was refunded in full. so we are so thankful that we were able to get the refund back in full thank god. We agree if you go to this seminar run from it do not buy it as it is a scam. Now they are calling and wanting us to put the charge on another credit card and get this they even solicited us to buy more so called education, we would be willing to get with others that have been taken and form a class action law suit against them. Anyone interested in this please reply. good luck.
I'm going to be optimistic...
I sat through the seminar waiting for the catch, and then there it was! A $2,000 investment. Okay, so is continue to listen intently to see what was being offered for $2,000. They (the facilitators of the seminar) promise to have a team of lenders who will lend you the money complete your first deal in 90 days at an interest rate of 3%, regardless of your credit, AND once your deal is complete they will return your $2,000 investment to you. So folks, I am going to bite the bullet to see if they are going to hold up to their end of the deal. We can't always expect to get something for nothing and having a team of people who will help me fund my first deal, negotiate deals on my behalf, and a host of other things sounds attractive to me. IF everything works out as they say...or not...I will return to let you all know.
crooks
PLEASE PASS ON IN ANY WAY YOU CAN... DONT BECOME A VITUM Nothing is real even.the.gift is a scam iPod is a fake item
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So,how did it go?
Attending this weekend
Did you attend the 3 day seminar and is their a group of investors? What happens if you do not invest more like they are saying $20,000 plus? What did you walk away with at the end of the 3 day seminar?
Financing for the flip advantage program
I too am hoping the financing is for real
I had high hopes
I did bit the bullet and I have not been happy with the results so far. I have requested a refund for the 2497.00. I am waiting to see if they will honor it.
Optimistic
Good for you. I looked at the whole program as a bait and switch. They use pictures of Christina and Tarek and you think that they will be giving the presentation. They were back in California doing their show. They do not attend any of these seminars for the most part. They want 2000.00 or 6000.00, depending on how soon you sign up. They offer a lot of refund incentives if you are unhappy but with my background in business the whole presentation reeked of bait and switch. Buyers beware !
Hidden Costs
Attended the 3 hour seminar today with my wife, here in Louisville, KY , 10/13/14. Steve was the guest speaker as the "show" people were filming. Sat there very quiet and listened and took lots of notes, or as best as I could keep up with Steve. Well, after the program was laid out and it sounded to good to be true, and writing a check for $1997, came home and researched the internet on the scam. They never mentioned that WE would be required to come up with thousands more for the next step during the 3 day class. This is nothing more than a multi-marketing type scam that I have seen in the past. I immediately placed a stop payment on my check as I read more online about this scam, along with the Tax Lien Certificate program that followed. More BS. Researching that was easy enough online as well and that man, Karl Noons did not disclose much about getting into that can of worms! It amazing that so called professional people go city to city to rip good people off in these get wealthy schemes. I'm usually a little more careful and learned yet another valuable lesson today!
Really?
What do you expect? They are a education and training company. All these morons go to all these seminars only because they want to see someone from some TV show. Then get all negative. How much money did you pay to get in? That's right...nothing. And I love the that the guy that is given an MP3 player for free just for showing up... and still bitches because it wasn't some brand he thought it might be. Typical entitlement attitude. Wanting something for nothing. And still complains when they get it. Hey I joined Golds Gym but I haven't lost a single pound man!!! I think I am going to complain and write a bunch of nonsense about what a scam Golds is.
Did you learn something?
I agree with your comment and am trying to figure out if the educational part of the program is actually worth the drive. Did you attend? I don't care if Tarek and Christina are there and I don't care about an MP3 player...I'm just interested in learning about getting into real estate. Any idea if this program is helpful at all to that end?
Hmmm. Really?
They ADVERTISE that people who are successful are somehow connected to the show but if you look - there's nothing really saying they are. It's insinuated. They use images and the words "like" in regards to the HGTV stars. Truly a bait & switch tactic. They do a great job of creating competition by asking "who here knows they want to be on our team?" And then 3 people scattered around raise there hands (in certain they're plants) and he says "get me 3 certificates, I want to do something special." as he holds these mystery certificates as speaks 10 more minutes before the break and asks again "who here knows..." And many more go sign up. Playing on classic human nature to want those "gold certificates". It was palpable.
We left with our money thanks. No useful info was given. Only promises to come.
But this guy here gets all upset about a review site complaining about the BS these people are spouting. Free or not. If you say iPod, it better be iPod. Not fauxpod. If you're company (I'm sure you work for them) says up front that the Stars won't be here at every seminar then stop advertising them. I'm willing to bet you're not in any way affiliated w Terek & Christina.
Then all you do is mock reviews without sharing anything useful yourself.
Now that's funny.
HGTV, Tarek and Christina should be ashamed.
How would they allow their name to be associated with this sales pitch/sham? They have no intention of attending and the free to the first 100 people? No one paid. So that's a falsehood.... Don't waste your time, walked out after 20 minutes.
Flip advantage face book page
Look at flip advantage facebook page, everything they post is shared a link. They don't write anything it's all flip advantage shared a link. It's all a scam.
Tarek and Christina Stand Up
Disappointing that Tarek & Christina are involved in this business. They must be very focused on getting money no matter the cost to others and reputation. HGTV should terminate their show. Let's have some ethical standards, please!
One is born everyday !
My wife and I attended last night at the Flip Advantage Scam. The presentation was very good but in the end they want 2000.00 to register for their 3 day seminar and if you hesitate you can still attend but it will cost you 6000.00. Christina and Tarek were not there and the back of the room was lines with a bunch of middle aged men that took on the persona of " thugs or bouncers." I asked where the stars of the show were and I was told by one of the cocky bouncers that they have a TV show to make. The whole program is false advertising at its best !
Bait and Switch
Attended the free seminar this week.
Did not research this program before I went and they presented at a Hyatt Resort ballroom with full size cardboard cutouts of Tarek and Christina promoting the program. Instead we get a male middle aged cheerleader who is all hype and no truthful facts. I've been in Real Estate 33 years and nothing they presented was factual or specific. When the man in front of me reached in his wallet to get his credit card I said don't do it, it's a scam. Go to real
Estate school and get your license. Disgusting that HGTV has not canceled this show.
Bad Deal But a Couple of Positives
I attended the Flip Advantage sales pitch yesterday in Arlington. Thankfully did not part with the $1,997 for the 3 day training. A couple of things the speaker did mention are true:
1. There is an actual list of troubled banks and it can be found via Google, not directly from FDIC.
2. When you go to the list you can see all the REO properties that each bank has on it's books, so you can check those out and make an offer remembering to put your Proof of Financing on the top of your application.
As for financing I guess we are on our own. Could do
Bank List
Anybody can call a bank and get the list for free. Never pay to get this information,
I made money
I went to the sales pitch today. In concept it sounds very interesting, but I'm glad I did not pay the $2000 for the program. I did however answer a question correctly, got a lottery card, and won $25. I think I'll use that money to buy a book on how to actually invest in real estate. I agree with your assessment of the troubled bank list. That could be useful.
Please do not buy into this horrible SCAM
This is the biggest scam. The presentation was run by some random "real estate investor." He was obviously a salesman who was hired to try and steal dumb people's money. This guy was a horrible liar and unbelievably corny. He should stick to selling vacuum cleaners and mops. The scam was so obvious that it was nauseating. Hey Flip Advantage, maybe you should get better actors next time. This guy looked like some alcoholic they dragged off of the street and dressed in a horribly fitting suit. My evening was not totally ruined because this circus act gave me some great entertainment. Oh and I bet the snacks they gave out in sandwich bags were stolen off the back of a truck earlier that day.
Haha very true.
I went to the one in Dulles and wasn't sure what to expect ...... I got there a little late and sat down and listen to this guy talk..... Now I will admit there was some information given but wow this guy..... Listen when are about to steal all these retards money atleast when they raise their hand to ask you something don't tell them to wait and say "well I'll go ahead and break my own rule and let you talk". Haha guy was a joke just looking around at the dummies to figure out which one would bite.
DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on training you will get VERY little out of the 3 day workshop. If you are one of the ones that were upset about not seeing stars or ipods, try coughing up 2 grand to get a 3 day motivational speech about financial literacy. One sales pitch leads to the next, leads to the next, and so on. If you didn't get in the door consider yourself one of the LUCKY one's! SCAM!!!
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Scam
We too drove an hour to go to this event, once we were seated they advised that neither Christina nor Tarek would be there. They had a "representative" in their place, they had a short video telling us they were too busy with their filming schedule to be there. The ONLY reason we went was to see them in person and ask questions...not to buy a program which they didn't even construct. We walked out disappointed since all the emails they sent prior were positive in saying they were looking forward to seeing us. What a scam!
Tarek, Christina, and Tim Payne are all SCAMMERS!
DO NOT GO! Tarek and Christina El Moussa were not there, as many others explain here, it was the same video. Reputation shot.
Out of 1.5hrs of Tim Payne talking at Flip Advantage, 10 mins were actually about very high level real estate concepts. This entire seminar is geared right from the very moment you walk in to lead lambs to the slaughter. They even tape the rows off so the most eager volunteer to sit up front.
By the way, 75% of the front row went up to drop the $2K on the 3 day training.
Tim Payne is a very charismatic closer, he tells a story about his now deceased father, and his family and grandchildren. Emotional hook. I'll bet Tim Payne has delivered his closing speech, no less than a thousand times. I'm a paid public speaker and have presented to over 15,000 people in Canada and the US. I don't sell anything in my presentations but know a closer when I see one. Tim's got his material down cold. Also, he uses a pointer in his presentation that automatically shuts off the images on the screen when he's not pointing at it so you can't actually study the screen while he's talking. You also can't take pictures of the screens for reference later that way too.
These guys are not there to work with you to succeed in real estate. They are there to process your payments at the back.
God was looking out for me yesterday.
I would pay for the $2K training program and to be a part of an actual network to do deals, THIS ISN'T IT. Which is ironic because the whole time Tim Payne is talking about how he wants all of us out there finding deals for him, and his network because of all the potential money that could be made together. NOW THAT, seems logical, except the actions don't match that logic.
I was truly hoping this was a real opportunity to get into real estate. It's not, not even close. Tarek and Christina El Moussa should definitely lose their HGTV show Flip of Flop as a result of this BS.
I imagine that the executives at HGTV are probably ignoring it right now. Why not tweet the show's account @HGTVFliporFlop
OVERWHELMING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK
Thank all of you who have posted feedback on this event. I was going to attend an event in Arlington, VA today, but have been turned off by all of the 'NEGATIVE" posts. I will not be watching the show anymore either, because I believe at some point they have gotten word of what's going on, but refuse to address anything. I guess this is how they come up with the monies needed to buy the properties. SAD, VERY SAD!!!
Bang for the buck, they didn't cover the gas money!
Wife and I attended the free presentation. No real surprises, stars were not there, no real information given only promises to show you how to make tons of money. I bought into the 3 day training class for $2000 and gave up 3 days to listen to success stories that took place in other states. Voiced my disappointment during my TEN minute one on one consultation and was told my expectations were never part of the proposal, said "If they had access to the deals they would be doing them themselves".
On the positive side they offer a diamond package if you sign up on the spot for $50,000.
I was offered a money back guarantee if not satisfied........................... will advise how that goes.
hello
how did it go. based on all the feedback I would invest my 50k with REAL state folks and do my own deligence
financing legit or bust
A side from another sell pitch at the 3 day class is the promise of financing legit or fake.... can anyone weigh in on that.
I attended the free seminar... they got my attention when they promised unlimited financing for my deals no credit needed, would finance purchase price and rehab cost, no upfront points, app fees etc. 500k per deal. But they had to meet there standard. 20% or 20k. And of course you couldn't get access to the financing unless you paid 2k and attended the 3 day class.
As good as this offer sound am interested In the financing. That alone is the true value...
Has anyone successful went through the class and got access to the financing as they promise.
how come you deleted my comment?
When I posted a comment on their f/b page, they deleted it and gave no explanation. I only asked if one of their techniques was buying foreclosures. I would not trust these people who delete comments without reply as to why.
Refund policy
They don't mention this during the free seminar, but you can get a refund within three days of paying for the 3-day workshop. For Tax Lien Vault, I was told it was three days for US citizens and 10 days for Canadians. I am a Canadian and requested a refund for both the workshop and Tax Lien five days after I attended the seminar. Their customer service reps are not equipped to answer specific questions or deal with pressure. Now that I've dealt with them, I'm sure anybody can get a refund beyond the refund period (but prior to the workshop). Tell them that you are onto this hoax (thanks to this site!) and you will show up at the workshop with printouts for each of the participants with all these negative reviews confirming that this is a total scam. This will ensure that nobody at the workshop will fall for the next level of this rip-off! Trust me, it makes them very nervous!! It worked for me!
Tarek and Christina should be ashamed of themselves being a part of this f**king scam!!!
I hope all their episodes turn out to be flops!!! Walked out after 10 minutes, What a shameless scam!!!
Bait and switch
Went to the seminar in Tysons Corner, VA today. Tarek and Christina were not there. They have a pre-recorded video stating that they are filming. Judging by the rest of the reviews I don't think they intend to ever show up to these seminars. While the speaker who is clearly a salesman gave some helpful info you are better off with Google or purchasing a book on real estate. Midway thru the session they ask for $1997 to attend the three day seminar in order to get access to the unlimited, no credit check funding. So many folks rushed to the back to sign up. During the seminar I pulled out my phone and saw all these bad reviews. I walked out during the break between speakers. Don't waste your time or money.
Scam
Attended the free siminar tonight and again tarek and christina didn't show. What a disappointment thos was the First clue scam. Being a licensed REALTOR in the area and knowing the area and market very well the speaker started talking current number reguarding how many forclosures where in the area. All false numbers was given. Then extending to a three day class costing $1997 now or 6000.00 at a later date. Scam scam scam. Very upset over the false information they were giving. Tarek and Christina should force them into not allowing them to use their names and faces. Dont fall for this.
Yea we changed our minds last minute
Read these reports tonite. Thank God that we changed our minds today and did not attend. Just going thru web and decided to look this up. Can not believe I did not check when I signed up. Today we were dressed to go out door and looked at each other and said lets not go,they will probably ask for money. And by the above readings we ,thank God ,made the right choice
I drove an hour each way. I stood in line and waited. I was next to enter the room and there were 50+ people in line behind me (all with valid tickets). They sent us away with non-functional, no-name mp3 players as parting gifts (which were promised to be iPod Nanos).
I want my money back!! I sat in class for 3 days hearing about the possiblitlies of what you could do with this training. Each day they informed you that you would learn a little more and promised by the third day you could go out and do this yourself. On the thrid day, the whole class was geared towards having you sign up for $40,000 to actually learn how to do it!!! So I spent $2000 and 3 days of my time to hear that I need to NOW spend $40,000 to learn anything!
Flip Advantage is a flop
All free seminar are meant to do one thing, put you further in debt. The catch is ALWAYS $2000 or more for courses, but you never hear about the success of these courses or the students!
Tarek el Moussa net worth: Tarek el Moussa is an American real estate agent and reality television personality who has a net worth of $2 million dollars. Tarek el Moussa is based in Orange County, California, where he works as a real estate agent and house flipper. He is known for his success at buying homes at auction, renovating, and selling them for a profit. Tarek and Christina were successful real estate agents during the boom period and when the market tanked, they set out to find a way to generate income. They decided to use their knowledge of the local real estate market to buy, renovate, and flip houses that they often buy at auction sight unseen. He and his wife Christina are the subjects of the popular HGTV series "Flip or Flop". The show follows the couple through the often tense process of bidding on a property, renovating it and restoring it so that it is competitive on the market, and then reselling it. They have become known as a power couple throughout Southern California. In 2013, a registered nurse and fan of the show wrote to the program's production company. She suggested that a doctor examine a lump that was visible on Tarek's neck which she had seen while watching "Flip or Flop". It proved to be cancer. The program has since followed the couple's business, as well as Tarek's battle with cancer.
They are lending their names as a brand for marketing to draw people to the seminar! They probably get a cut of all proceeds. Multiple these in every states and can you say residual income! This is their new generating income machine.
Their net worth is only 2 Million.
Action News Investigates: Another celebrity house-flipping seminar stirs concern
West Virginia woman hoped to learn secrets of 'Flip or Flop' stars Tarek and Christina
Published 7:12 PM EST Nov 11, 2014
Read more: http://www.wtae.com/news/celebrity-house-flipping-seminar-stirs-concern/29664358#ixzz3L90mgoSX
Ever since reality television exploded into American homes in the late ‘90s, we’ve had to keep reminding ourselves the same thing.
Even though it says “reality,” it isn’t always real.
That’s especially true with shows that follow house flippers, home remodelers and real estate agents. These processes are usually drawn out, tedious and not very fun to watch, so some liberties are taken during production to make the show interesting to viewers.
HGTV’s “House Hunters” is a notable one. The show hires actors to portray some buyers and usually only approaches buyers who are already in escrow, which means they have to act out reactions to houses they already know they’re not going to buy.
We can’t count how many times we’ve seen a house hunter object to something silly like a room’s paint color or tile scheme.
But what about the network’s new house flipping show, “Flip or Flop?”
flip-or-flop-tv-showTelevision networks are notoriously guilty of misrepresenting house flipping, and it has no doubt led to some novices getting in over their heads. “Flip or Flop” follows the husband-wife duo of Tarek and Christina El Moussa as they take on distressed properties, renovate them and attempt to sell them.
Some viewers have criticized the show for misrepresenting the costs required in renovations, unrealistic home sale and purchase prices, staging the auction scenes and depicting a couple that mostly only deals with capital. Their contractors are the ones getting their hands dirty, which is a luxury many house flippers can’t afford.
The biggest complaint of all centers around the fact that the couple almost always turns a handsome profit, which any experienced house flipper will tell you isn’t necessarily true.
So what of the El Moussas? Are we watching a young couple scraping by, trying to make it in the business, or is it just another made up Hollywood production?
The people are indeed quite real. They worked in real estate until the housing market crashed, and they’ve been paying the bills by flipping houses ever since.
Business has been going well, with Tarek reporting last year that he had taken on three new employees and expanded his operation into neighboring states. It is also shown that he uses creative financing and help from outside investors to pay for his flips.
As for the rest, nothing has been explicitly revealed.
Those of us with experience in the business can probably pick out the unrealistic parts of the show and surmise how — with a little selective editing and Hollywood magic — everything came together. In the end, the savvy viewer already knows the show is for entertainment and shouldn’t be used as a basis for serious decisions.
After all, it comes back to the old adage.
If it’s too good to be true, it probably is. There’s no such thing as easy money.
SCAMS BY SCUMS
No information given about real estate investing. Simple scam to get your money. The most heart breaking thing is watching older people pull out three or four credit cards to pay for the fake work shops and get nothing in return but wasted time. These guys should watch their back. When I see them in Austin on Dec. 3-5th at the Omni hotel for the fake 3 day work shop that people paid 2k to attend, I'm going to tell them to go **** themselves and stop stealing from peoples 401k. Fuckin losers! They walked out with at least 60k this morning (11-23-14) after people bought the three day work shop for 2k and the tax lien program for 1k.
attendee
I am so angry that I did not go on here prior to wasting my time!! I did not want to get rich quick I just wanted to know how to get started in investing in real estate. It is a SCAM! THEY WERE OVER A HOUR LATE getting there...I stood for 1 and 1/2 hours. .nothing to drink only to be told after another hour that I had to pay $2000.00 dollars and spend another 3 days listening to more crap. If they make so much money why do the guys look like bouncers, wear cheap suits, and stuff their faces with pizza while waiting for dumb people like me to pay them money. Well you lose because all you got was my time. Tarek AND CHRISTINA should be ashamed.
Super disappointed
I thought Tarek and Christina were going to be there. When we found out they weren't going to be there, we left
Flip Advantage
My husband & I attended the "free" 3 hour workshop on Dec. 6th in San Diego CA. Our arms were not tied & forced to buy the
"advanced training" workshop which cost me $1997. The main speaker at the "Advanced Training" did not say any negative comments or put anyone down. I did find though he spoke quickly & it was hard to keep up with him as were writing & taking notes. I was upset because at the "free" 3 hr workshop we were told in our $1997 purchase that we would have access to a database, funding etc. which on the second day we were all told the database & funding were not included that you had the choice to purchase out of the 3 packages which ranged from 20k-44K the database & funding would be included. I complained & I told them that I was mislead & lied to & luckily I got my total refund of $1997 within 3-7 biz days.
im a sucker for believing them....
i feel so bad right now coz i force my husband to pay for the 2k seminar. thank god that i cannot sleep after the free seminar and give it a try to google if theirs any complaint and reviews about this flip advantage. thank you for all the people who post and share their experience. at least we got enlighten before we sink more in the black hole of scammers... but i still owe my husband an apology for being ignorant and stubborn.. :(
Program Geared for Buying Properties in US, not Canada
Attended in Edmonton, AB. Got their late but that was okay. The speaker was apparently born in Edmonton but highly doubtful as he was pronouncing the City's name incorrectly. Also talked more about his family more than anything really valuable. He must have inspired people, because when he spoke about buying the program for 2K instead of 6K I was surprised how many signed up immediately. Didn't stay for the second half.
Got the $5 FauxPod and left feeling quite happy about not giving $2K of hard earned money.
You really have to ask yourself - if the folks promoting and selling the product were that successful in their processes and methods, why are they speaking to us in hotels at 8:00 p.m. rather than spending time with their friends and families?
Anyhow, it was good to attend to hear what they had to say although no real information was provided.
All it cost me was my time.
House Masters Courses - scam, share your personal information without permission
After registering and giving our downpayment, we went to their fast
start but right after that, another team of "inner circle" emailed and
called me and started inducing me to another level of " real estate
education" for another tuition fee!!! i was told they referred our
information to them but they are NOT the same... so they actually share
your personal information without permission!.. then when i talked to
this inner circle and asked whats their difference, they started telling
me that the program we signed for that will cost more than $26K is NOT
going to do any support as what was explained... i'm on my own with the
$26K++ tuition fee!!! but with them , its more expensive because its
more support!!!... after knowing all these, i immediately called flip
advantage to cancel and get refunded for my money... the first one i
talked to just said that he submitted a request of the refund and
because it was too high for his approval, his manager has to sign the
refund approval... his manager is on vacation and will be back two days
after... i called two days after and was told another refund request was
submitted and that for me to be patient because his manager just got in
and was catching up but the request was with him.... asked him if there should be a problem refunding the money and was told "NONE!!!"....
after two months of calling every two weeks... finally they told me my
case was with a certain helen... helen said she saw the request and i
told her again my reason and she told me she understood and will get
back to me the next day... she called me back after 5 days saying they
decided that the refund will not be given back!!!! WHAT A SCAM!!!! they
put your hopes up that refund is being processed already then they just
take your money!!!!
Definite FLOP!
Can you say "SCAM"??
The goons signing everyone in were a JOKE.Then the REAL entertainment started!
After watching the lame video of Tarek and Christina and being told that they were "Unable to make it due to a busy filming schedule," we were told to sit back and enjoy the presentations. (They'd better be VERY busy, because all I've seen for a while on HGTV are reruns of their shows!)
Anyway....
The main speaker, whose name escapes me, (or perhaps I purposely blocked it out,) was a poster child for shady used car salesman everwhere! With his slicked back hair and ill-fitting suit, I sensed the BS was about to flow freely for the next few hours...... he did NOT disappoint!
What a bunch of crap!
(For those of you who have attended......
"Can I get a yes?")
This clown even went so far as to make up responses from the audience. ... YES! MAKE THEM UP!!!!! (He'd ask for answers from the audience, then say he HEARD someone say ____ , when NO ONE even said that!)
He gave (obviously) fake examples of his OWN experiences, and just exuded BS the ENTIRE time!
But WAIT! The "fun" didn't stop there! THEN, some Noons guy came out and gave his (BS) spiel, even pointing out that his daughter was in the audience because she drove in from Austin to see him..... kike that makes him less of a horse's butt?!
This jerk used shame tactics to try and convince people that shelling out their hard-earned money for his fabulous program was what they HAD to do! That only SERIOUS and HIGHLY MOTIVATED folks would act NOW and get this life-changing program!
FINALLY! He wrapped up the BS fest..... THEN came the "gifts"! A fauxpod, AND a mail-in (YOU pay the postage) card to be entered in the drawing for an ipad that they'll be giving away in the next 12 months! (YES! TWELVE months!)
Oh.... and the "Free CD-rom" promised.... well THAT wasn't even included! NOPE! You have to go to a website and "download" that "Free Gift!"
I am skeptical by nature, so the ONLY reasons I went were to get some kid-free time with the hubby, and to see Tarek and Christina in person, since I regularly watch their show....well, at least I got to hang with my hunny! Oh...... and YES, I can't forget the mp3 player that's ALMOST as cheesy as the main presenter.
Tarek and Christina should be ashamed of themselves!
Unfortunately for THEM, I have more sense and I REFUSE to buy into their BS.
In sum, this program is definitely a "FLOP!"
Seminar Ottawa
I went to free seminar on a lark as I enjoy Tarek and Christina's show. Smelled a scam before entering the room and joked to a seat mate that there would undoubtedly be a request for money. It took about 20 minutes for them to ask for the $2k and to attempt to shame those of us who weren't willing to take control of our financial futures. There was no Tarek and Christina despite "Tarek" emailing me a few days before event looking forward to seeing me at the session. I am surprised that such public figures lend their names to this scam. These "good friends of Tarek and Christina" have no knowledge of Ottawa marketplace which was clear from lies about potential profits on local properties. Further they either ignored or misrepresented the matter of the US taxes on various transactions. It was three hours of my life I will never get back but at least I didn't fall victim to the $2k money grab. Many seminar participants were straight up laughing heartily by end of presentation. Also found the presenters' - very average looking guys tossing up photos of their blonde beautiful wives. Lol.
Sad Scam
I attended the seminar in Treasure Island St. Petersburg FL, Nov 8. I wouldn't even give it 1Star. I am very sure that Tarek and Christina received payment for their video introduction of the "Sales Expert". However, I doubt they know that their image is used on everything else or to what kind of business tactics the "Sales Experts" perform. A half hour into the seminar I realized it was a scam. The "Sales Experts" are nothing more than "Closers" - guys who get your money. Tarek and Christine are probably in the dark - just like all the people who attended the seminar and paid $2000 to sign-up to attend the 3 Day Training. The Sales Experts create urgency to get you to sign-up. Before they took their break - they have all the people who are ready to sign-up herd to the back of the room to fill-out the paperwork. During the break, I read these reviews to confirm my suspicions about what a scam it is. I went back into the seminar after the break, but left at the end stunned that there are so many gullible people out there - giving their hard earned money away in hopes of financial stability or gain. I was gullible to attend - but not stupid enough to fall for their timeshare sale style tricks. When I left, I heard an elderly lady say that she would be able to have the $2000 on Monday, because she can request a withdrawal from her 401K. I am sure that when this elderly lady attends the 3 day training and the "Sales Experts" convince her to join the "Diamond Level" - she won't have a 401K much longer!
Clearwater Beach, Florida Review
Okay, so overall this was a huge lie. I would respect this company a lot more if they didn't have multiple false advertisements on their ads/fliers.
The staff that signs you up in the beginning before you get in the doors are really rude and arrogant. And so are the people that are by the doors when you leave the meeting. The employees are extremely rude and don't smile and make you feel welcomed. They seem to hate their job, and not want to be there.
On the ad it says the meeting starts at 12:00 and ends at around 2:00. We dint get out of there until after 3:00. They don't mention this anywhere in the fliers, that this will be a 3 , or 3 in a half hour meeting.
I think they should be upfront about how long we will be in there, this is false advertising. How dare they put an ad with Christina and Tarek and make it look like they will be there speaking? When you get there , they arnt even there! I wouldn't mind hearing other people speak, I just am mad because this company has no integrity, and will use other people names, pictures, lie about how long the meeting will be, they say their will be "refreshments " there. And they have pitchers of water in a corner of the room, nothing else, really cheap and classless. They also lie and say they will give you an iPod but they don't, if you do get one it's a MP3 player that will only last you 45 minutes and break because that's how long mine lasted. They look like those cheap dollar store brands. Complete garbage. They also say the first 100 people will be in a drawing for an iPad, which isn't true,there was no iPad drawing. When you leave the meeting they give you a post card you write your address, and you put your own postage stamp and mail it out and it's a sweepstakes thing, they don't draw for iPad at the actual class. So it's another way they lie to us. I'm really annoyed that they lie about every little thing. They gave us 2 "free tickets". Hahahahaha. Wow. Everyone got in without tickets!! Nor was I asked for a ticket!! They gave us a sandwich bag with rits crackers, gummi fruit and a granola bar. And there wasn't enough for everyone. The chairs I sat in were so uncomfortable, my butt started hurting within 45 minutes, and I couldn't get comfortable. Terrible chairs!
The first speaker was very informative, I learned a few things I didn't know before, which is why I didn't give this 1 star. But I gave it two stars, because I DID Learn a few things I didn't know before. BUTTT........since they lied to me and falsely advertised their whole seminar , in order to bring me in there in the first place, I thought it was really dodgy and I decided to NOT purchase a 3 day class for $1997.00. If they are gonna lie about small things, I'm sure their classes are probably not good quality or trustworthy , I couldn't take a risk!
Sorry but if you want people to buy your classes, don't falsely advertise!! People won't take a company serious, if your gonna give them cheap snacks, and dollar MP3 players, lie to them and say Christina and Tarek will be hosting the event, say the class is 2 hours, and the class ends up 3 hours. All these lies make you look dishonest!! And there's no way I would be dumb enough to trust you and your company with my hard earned money, so you can go play with it and use my money to trick other people into coming to your seminars.
Stop lying to people! Stop falsely advertising. Start with being honest, maybe you'll get further in business.
Total BS
Went expecting to see Tarek and Christina. Stood in the heat waiting past noon to be let in. Finally got in. Sat another 20 minutes as they were having 'equipment issues." Finally a guy came in with a new projector. We got wind that the seminar was going to be done by two other people, not Tarek and Christina, even though there were giant posters with the the two of them. We walked out and from reading all these reviews, I am glad we did. First clue should have been the seedy hotel where the seminar was being held.Totally should have googled this before leaving the house. Shame on us!!
I assume that Tarek and Christina get a percentage of the take for them to use their names. Shame on them!!!
Not what was Marketed
The Marketing stated "Tarek and Christina come to Cincinnati"
They couldn't make it since they had to film their TV show.
Shady, we love the show but, will feel different about it now.
My wife and I are Realtors and your Reputation is everything
scam scam scam
we went to seminar last night…i guess I'm a huge sucker. Just called cc company to check on refund. They said they cannot refund. Another one bites the dust to the POOR who are trying to work and make some real money. Breaks my heart..thought I was wiser now…wrong...
I got a refund
Two days after I attended the free seminar, I came across this website. My heart sank as I realized I was a sucker! I called and requested a refund for both the 3-day workshop and for tax lien vault. I said I would bring all these reviews to the workshop and distribute them to all of the participants so that everyone would know that this company is a scam! My credit card was refunded four days later.
THERE IS NO WAY MY WIFE AND I WILL GO AFTER READING THESE REVIEWS!!!
Wow...thank you everyone for warning us about this SCAM. We are truly sorry for everyone who had to subject themselves to this nonsense. We will not attend.
So glad i am a natural skeptic but am still interested in flipping
I was going to attend the seminar in Lafayette Louisiana on the 16th of December. Needless to say after reading this i will not be going. I am a skeptic by nature and knew to research this first. I love the idea if buying a rundown home for cheap and redisigning it myself. Of course the problem comes in when it comes to financing or getting the money somehow to get started. I am sure thisis something iwould love doing andbe passionate about. I just wonder how much money it would actually take to get started? I am also quite sure that youcould easily learn all the ends and outs just by using google and the internet. It really doesnt seem that hard if you just start out very small and lear as you go. The idea of googling the troubled banks and there listings seems kike a legitimate way to get a good start. So anyway if there is anyone with any REAL realestate advice on flipping i would greatly appreciate it.
GOD was looking out for me!
I was one of the ones who bought into this scam, I was blessed that my card had a late payment so it didn't go through.. I thank all of you who posted these remarks and how it will help others before they buy.
Bottom Line, They want your money
Went to the seminar in Safety Harbor today. The stars of the TV show were not there. Instead, we were shown a video of them speaking. Then, the speaker came out and basically started asking for money. I am really surprised that Tarek and Chistina have their names linked to a scam like this. Perhaps these guys paid them to use their names and photos as part of their pitch, I don't know. We left during the break, but many people in the room got up to pay the initial two-grand. I was in total disbelief. Don't wast your time.
David Fryman Freier fraud?
August 2017 in Houstion Texas. Attended $2K intro seminar and paid $40K for next level boot camp. I pray this is not a David Fryman Freier scam using hgtv Hilliary Farr's name and reputation like previously listed as scam! As David Fryman Freier did with Flip Advantage training seminar under Tarek and Christina via Flip or Flop hdtv. I will keep everyone posted as we proceed.
license to steal..
I personally know tarek & christina for which I'm ashamed after reading all of the 100 % bad reviews,they are both good people but fell into the wrong hands of vultures & sharks but mainly root of all evils " money ", true they should be ashamed for getting involved in the first place & my only advice is to get out of this & restart their life in an honest manner. Good luck..someone who cares....ps. their program does not even deserve 1 star...
Awareness
This company is doing the same thing now by the name of Success Path. Still saying all the things you have read here in these reviews. Just attended the free seminar in Kamloops, B.C. Canada. Signed up for the 3 day but kept feeling something wasn't right. Started digging today and found so many scam reports. Stopped payment on my cheque and moved the money out of my acct. would rather bounce a cheque then be taken advantage of. Glad I listened to my gut!! Thanks to everyone who posted their experience and assisted me to come to my senses!!
Undecides
None of the reviews here are from folks who actually attended the class and could tell us if the system and the promises of them lending money was legit or not. We know that Christina and Tarek didn't show up and that broke your heart. But can someone comment on the class itself (the one you paid some $2)?
Mixed messages about the financing
^ I hope to see more feedback from people who attended the $2000 seminar like this one ^
Can you elaborate about this $20-$50K Mentoring/Diamond/whatever program? $2000 might be something that the average person might be able to scrounge up **if desperate**, but $20K-$50K is NOT something most people could drop, even if they truly wanted to. How do they possibly sell this to people?
Also, what's the deal with the financing? The free seminar touted the main advantage is that we get access to 3% loans with no credit checks, additional cost, etc. Without this financing you're not going to be able to participate in the program, no matter how much training you get... unless you have $300K+ lying around. Now they're saying we need provide the financing ourselves too? Can someone PLEASE explain this?
2k for what...
The reason you don't see comments about people learning more about or getting access to the financing is because it doesn't happen/doesn't exist. This company is all about you giving them money.
About the financing...
My spouse and I attended the 3 day, $2,000 seminar. The only financing informant that they gave was to try to increase the limit on your credit cards and borrow from your 401(k). The speakers would not respond to questions from the participants. I raised my hand for a question but was ignored. The speakers spent a large amount of time trying to upsell the participants on a $20,000 to $50,000 "mentoring program" Stay away from this. It was a waste of 2K